Forensic Psychology Weaponizes Mental Health in Johnny Depp Amber Heard Trial

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Forensic Psychology Weaponizes Mental Health in Johnny Depp Amber Heard Trial

Forensic Psychology Weaponizes Mental Health in Johnny Depp Amber Heard Trial



The Johnny Depp Amber Heard Trial introduced me to the concept of Forensic Psychiatry or Forensic Psychology, and can I just say, I hate it. Forensic Mental Health (FMT) is used as a weapon in the courtroom, to stereotype both Johnny Depp and Amber Heard when it comes to their actions. I’ve seen the damage that this type of mental health stigma causes to my patients when working as a primary care nurse practitioner, and it’s disgusting. Today, i’ll use examples from the Johnny Depp Defamation trial, to demonstrate how both sides used mental health as a weapon by relying on stereotypes and assumptions.

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  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 20:12 pm

    it's not just;forensic psychology. It's all of it.

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 20:16 pm

    I'm not sure that Amber's mental issues would have been brought in at all except that she claimed PTSD, so she needed to prove the diagnosis. That's why the court ordered an exam; she wanted to use PTSD as ammunition. If she hadn't tried to do that, there wouldn't have been anything ordered. Noticeably, Johnny's team did not argue how much her diagnoses can prompt the exact actions she did. They simply used it to refute her claims.

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 20:20 pm

    Wouldn’t it be worse if she was left unevaluated and went along with the fake narrative? 🤔 . The law is enforced when a certain party has to prove that they have it. Otherwise the court CANNOT demand it being done. Same goes in murder cases when a person does the crime because they are claiming to be clinically insane.

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 20:23 pm

    This is a very important message. Thank you nurse Liz ❤

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 20:24 pm

    Very helpful, thank you very much for making this.

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 20:28 pm

    I will agree with you on BPD but respectfully disagree on narcissism because of my experience. Also we have forensic Psychology for certain criminals like serial killers.

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 20:36 pm

    The defendant (Amber) waved her hippa rights though

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 20:37 pm

    Hey nurse Liz!

    I’m curious about your opinion regarding Forensic psychology being applied to criminal cases. I feel like it was not necessary to use forensic psychology in civil suit, however; forensic psychology is necessary when it comes to competency in criminal trial. What do you think about forensic psychology when it comes to criminality?

    Thanks!

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 20:50 pm

    I agree that paying people to analyze one’s mental health in order to fit it into a preexisting narrative is in no way ok. However, forensic psychology as a discipline does play an important role in other types of case. They help determine if a person has the capacity to withstand trial and also helps with sentencing to decide if the person should receive rehabilitative care while incarcerated and what their mental sent and intent was at the time of their crime among other things as well. Essentially when they are serving in a different capacity then that of expert witness their services are important to fair legal proceedings

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 20:53 pm

    Hi. Agree with your overall point, but can I just clear up that you're using both forensic psychology and forensic psychiatry interchangeably and they are not the same or interchangeable. Neither of the doctors in this trial are psychiatrists. Just an FYI.

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 20:53 pm

    As a former advocate and changemaker coming up from a federal grassroots movement working within a state to make changes in children’s mental health, I was devastated and disgusted about the stigmatized weaponization this case placed on mental health. Don’t even get me started with some of the experts, by stigmatizing mental health how many people will actually get help?

    I understand the need for it in a court case, but some of the experts weaponization of mental health was deplorable.

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 20:58 pm

    As a daughter of someone who is a recovering addict, and friends with people who have BPD, I thoroughly enjoyed and agree watching this. Yes, people with these diagnoses can be scary or depressing to be around when they're at their worst, but they are people too and deserve compassion and the chance to make things better for themselves.

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 21:04 pm

    Her mental health is part of the bases of her 100 million suite. That’s why it was brought up and why she had to do a psych evaluation and Johnny didn’t

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 21:17 pm

    So are you saying people with BPD , bipolar etc should be pacified and coddled and not face any criticism or responsibility for their actions? If so, you are the reason why the medical field is screwed up. Her disorder is correlated with her violent tendencies, and her inability to be an honest, functioning human being— so why can’t that be presented in court?

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 21:36 pm

    I was diagnosed with BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder) 21 years ago. Amber shows no or limited expressions of disgust, confusion, surprise, frustration, drowsiness (from some meds), etc. She is aware of her surroundings and can concentrate on questions asked. I have two sons and a partner of 22 years, so BPD people can have stable relationships but your partner has to be solid as a rock and a strong advocate for you (and suffer from selective hearing when you have an outburst lol)!

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 22:06 pm

    As a hospice nurse, I just admitted a patient and her file made me want to cry. She has anxiety and her provider kept pushing off all of her symptoms as anxiety and actually used the words "I don't think she wants to get better" to the point where an otherwise treatable illness got to the point that hospice care was appropriate. I am just furious about this.

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 23:14 pm

    Both sides allowed medical professionals to give evidence and waived their rights. otherwise it would not have been allowed in the court. Amber Heard informed the court that she had been diagnosed with PTSD and wanted her medical professionals to testify to this, she was then required to be assessed by another psychologist to validate the findings. Both parties had to agree that medical records could be entered into court. Had Amber not insisted that her doc testify that she had PTSD no other medical info would have been brought into court.

  • Posted on May 29, 2022 at 23:59 pm

    Good discussion, nice to see your sub numbers go up because of the trial (I'm one that came over).

  • Posted on May 30, 2022 at 00:25 am

    Emily d baker said amber said she has ptsd from her relationship with Johnny so they had to bring in the expert to run those tests. If she hadn’t said she had PTSD from all of this or said it affected her mentally the way that it did then they wouldn’t be bringing the specialist in. That’s why they never tested Johnny on anything he didn’t say he had any mental disorders.

  • Posted on May 30, 2022 at 01:16 am

    Sad that these things can be weaponized and even used in court publicly and I don't agree that anyone's personal health info should be public. However, some would argue the reason your "morality of mental health diagnoses" scale is conceptualized the way that it is by the general public, i.e. with an acceptable/ unacceptable side is because some of the diagnoses on the right involve elements of volition (the personality disorders) while the diagnoses on the right do not or less so (I would move bipolar to the left), and the actions or symptoms of those diagnoses on the right are not just disorderly in a vacuum, but are often and necessarily willfully harmful to others, which is why individuals with antisocial personality disorder (a diagnosis that would definitely be on the right) are often bad people and are essentially outlined this way in the DSM5. Swing and a miss for me here.

  • Posted on May 30, 2022 at 01:44 am

    hey liz! I thought the same about the possible HIPAA violation but both parties waived certain parts for the trial when being deposed.

  • Posted on May 30, 2022 at 01:50 am

    (Felt like I should add a general TW here)
    I was thinking about the legal systems role in mental health earlier. I was in a state hospital and on my unit, I was the only one if 22 who was voluntary. Everyone else had gone to probate court and been found to be so sick that they required indefinite confinement in a long-term psychiatric hospital. About one third of the clients in my unit were there because they commit a minor crime (usually still violent) and the court put them in the hospital. There is a different hospital for people who commit murder or other more "serious" crimes. The problem with this is none of the people there after breaking the law wanted to get better. In fact, one woman regularly assaulted staff and other clients. The thing I was thinking about today was how someone could be there for no reason at all. I almost fought my sentence to this hospital and my lawyer advised me to go voluntarily because it looks better. They bring in a court-appointed psychologist and psychiatrist to evaluate you and they then will lock you up with no end date. I wasnt even a danger to others, I had attempted 4 times in 4 months and that meant that I had no option. I also have bpd. And you are right because even in the state hospital, my psychiatrist treated me like I was going to hurt myself every chance I got. I wasnt allowed crayons. I had to eat on 1:1.
    Also, just to illustrate how awful this hospital is, we had no rooms. There are two hallways, one for men and one for women, with cubicals. I would not wish this on anyone. And it felt extremely punitive. I know this is slightly off-topic but metal health is weaponized even within the system.

  • Posted on May 30, 2022 at 02:12 am

    You must have the same disorders of amber heard—crazy protecting crazy.

  • Posted on May 30, 2022 at 02:39 am

    Amber Heard placed her mental heath at issue by alleging PTSD in court filings. Therefore she subjected herself to a mental health evaluation in order to prove whether or not she had it.đź‘Ť

  • Posted on May 30, 2022 at 02:55 am

    Parties waived their rights to the mental health evaluations by certain parties. Not all "experts" were allowed to do evaluations on the parties but they did provide their "opinion" lol. Weaponizing Johnny's SUD worked in the UK which is why I believe they tried to have the same tactics here in the US. I'm an acute detox rehab nurse so all of this was wildly entertaining to me. The meds they refused Johnny during detox, his struggles with relapsing and all….. It was heart breaking. I hear it from my patients all the time how people weaponize their mental health and it sends them right back into another relapse. One thing no one really mentioned was when she was trying to talk about the alleged damage to her nose when she went to an ENT….. no one asked her if the damage could be from the years of snorting ANY drug. Cocaine is not the only drug people snort so it is just odd to me that no one said anything about that when she claimed the damage was from punches. All the meds she was on and prescribed are meds my patients commonly report to snort lol so I found it ironic.

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